Here's a demo of these two rides. LEFT 22" Dream Vintage Bliss crash/ride. RIGHT 22" Istanbul Agop Signature Ride. I take them both through their full volume spectrum to give an idea of what they can do. I recommend these two rides all the time for low volume playing because the are so thin, dark, washy, and open up very quickly. The hats are 14" Meinl Byzance Jazz Thin Hats.