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I recently met with Charlie Kao of Twin Oaks Capital to tour a new 52,000squarefoot storage facility he is building in Newaygo, MI.

Charlie is a storage investor with years of experience working with many different projects. In this conversation, he dishes out valuable knowledge and insights from his years in the business.

Whether you're new to the storage business or a timetested veteran, there are probably at least a few things you'll learn from this conversation!

0:00 Intro
0:19 How long have you been in the selfstorage business?
1:12 How did you find the storage facility you are building in Newaygo, Michigan?
2:33 Did you have to rezone the land after you bought it?
3:30 How did you determine there was enough demand in Newaygo to support a new facility?
5:38 Did you order a feasibility study before you bought the land?
6:39 What is your role on this project?
8:39 What challenges and issues came up with drainage, and how to make it work?
14:43 How do you determine the width of the drive lane, and why is it so important?
20:12 Comparison between welllit facility without a fence vs facility with a fence
23:31 What company did you use for the buildings and the doors?
24:41 What is your longterm plan with this selfstorage facility?
25:25 How do you manage construction costs during volatile times?
27:29 Property Management: How do you handle it?
28:19 How did you determine the number of units and the size of them?
30:20 Charlie explains his SelfStorage Investing game
33:47 Syndication vs DIY (Do it yourself) – What do you prefer?
35:26 How many facilities have you worked with in your entire career?
38:03 The benefits of Climate Controlled Storage
41:55 Parking Management System
44:59 At what point is it worth constructing a structure to store an RV?
48:07 The biggest things you are missing out on while doing facility analysis
55:35 Charlie shares his fivefigure mistakes in this business
57:31 The Boat & RV storage construction and development
58:35 What date did construction begin and what is the project's estimated completion?
59:10 How long did it take to plan for constructing a new selfstorage facility?
1:01:33 Is it important to work with a specific bank that understands the storage industry?
1:02:36 SBA Loan vs Conventional Loan Which is a better fit for you?
1:03:25 SBA 504 vs 7(a) Loan Comparison
1:04:19 Why would a storage deal fall apart?