Designer, artist, educator and podcaster Debbie Millman sat down for a chat with Dumbo Feather editor Berry Liberman in our conversation caravan at the Melbourne Writers Festival to explore design, what it means to live a good life, courage, and definitions of success.

For more info on Debbie Millman, visit:
debbiemillman.com
soundcloud.com/designmatters

For more conversations, visit:
dumbofeather.com

And for more info on the Melbourne Writers Festival, visit:
mwf.com.au/