Michael "Fatback" McSwain joined The Dale Jr. Download and dove into his fallout with Ricky Rudd. He also talks to Dale Jr. and cohost Mike Davis about when he jumped ship and headed to Joe Gibbs Racing to man the pit box for Bobby Labonte.

All was far from well though, and rising turmoil amongst the team would leave McSwain without a job. The conversation deals a lot with driver/crew chief relationships and dialogue, and McSwain offers up stories of disagreements he had with Rudd and Bobby Labonte over the years. He explains that driver attitudes over the radio during a race can affect a whole team, and when the situation reached a breaking point he felt inclined to intervene.

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