You’ve heard the mantra “safety first.”

Politicians used it as a justification for Covid lockdowns.

But Mike Rowe, former host of "Dirty Jobs”, has his own slogan: “safety third.”

Why “safety third?” It’s easy to save lives, says Rowe, but LIVING life is more important.

I made a couple of short videos with Rowe.

But he has a lot of other interesting things to say on lockdowns, why college is a waste of money, the dignity of work, and more.

So here is our full interview.