Tom Holland, the popular historian who cohosts the worldfamous The Rest Is History podcast, sits down with The Telegraph’s Steven Edginton to discuss his new book on Rome, woke history and why British history is so popular among international audiences. Holland explains why Trump reminds him of Nero, and says attempts to teach moral lessons through history are a “fool's errand”. He continues, saying he doesn’t accept there are those on “the right side of history” or that the arc of history bends towards justice. The production of films such as Napoleon and Oppenheimer are a sign that audiences are still fascinated by history, says Holland. You can listen to the full interview on your podcast app by searching for “Off Script”.

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