Copper has long been touted as a big winner from the world's drive towards electrification. All those electric vehicles and new grids need lots of the metal to work. At the same time, since it takes years for new copper mining capacity to actually come on stream, many people expect a longterm shortage of the metal to materialize. But despite all that excitement, copper prices actually fell over the past few years. Now, copper bulls are getting another chance as the metal surges towards a new record. So why didn't the thesis play out before? And what does the mismatch between shortterm prices and longterm supply actually mean for the world? In this episode, we speak to Jeff Currie, a longtime copper bull and commodities veteran who's now at Carlyle Group. We talk to him about why copper is his highestconviction trade ever, plus the outlook for oil and big changes in petrodollars.

Key insights from the pod:
Intro 0:00
Currie’s supercycle thesis and copper — 4:14
Copper as the “highest conviction trade” ever — 11:15
China and why copper fell in recent years
Growing production via M&A versus investment — 14:10
Does copper supply eventually respond to price? — 15:41
Silver and the energy transition — 18:46
Tightness in copper concentrates — 20:28
Jeff Currie’s copper forecast — 22:28
Energy Pathways at Carlyle Group — 24:28
The impact of nonOPEC supply on oil prices — 27:09
The evolution of oil demand and a ‘Lake Erie’ moment — 20:48
Moving from petrodollar recycling to “gold recycling”

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