Peter Zeihan, renowned geopolitical strategist and founder of Zeihan on Geopolitics, wrote in his most recent book, "the seeds of deglobalization were sown decades ago." Since then, the world has seen both demographic and economic shifts that further validate his analysis. In this episode, Peter High interviews Peter Zeihan about his deep insights on topics intersecting demography, economics, energy, politics, technology, and security. The conversation delves into Zeihan's perspectives on Stalin's influence on the global order, the early indicators of deglobalization, and the demographic challenges leading to economic declines. Zeihan provides an indepth look at the geopolitical futures of major powers like China, Russia, and the United States. He explains the mechanisms driving historic trends, the ongoing conflict with Ukraine, and what might be expected on the world stage in the coming years. Pivoting more locally, Zeihan discusses his predictions for the 2024 US Presidential elections, what each candidate’s win might mean for America’s role on the world stage, and what needs to happen for the US to keep pace with the shifting trends toward deglobalization. Finally, Zeihan gives his thoughts on which other countries might come out on top in the coming years once the dust settles.

*This interview was recorded on June 20th, 2024.*

00:00 Introduction to Technovation
00:51 Stalin's Influence on Global Order
02:03 The Seeds of Deglobalization
04:08 China's Demographic and Economic Crisis
17:30 India's Prospects and Challenges
20:57 Russia's Geopolitical Strategy and Ukraine Conflict
31:01 Nuclear Risks with China and Russia
31:31 Corruption in Chinese Military
32:48 US Missile Defense Limitations
33:19 Debate on US Response to Russian Aggression
34:32 Ukraine's Use of US Weapon Systems
35:50 Potential Conflict Over Taiwan
37:50 Impact of Deglobalization on the US
39:20 2024 US Presidential Election Predictions
47:22 Immigration's Role in US Demographics
50:28 Countries with Positive LongTerm Prospects
53:44 Challenges and Opportunities for the UK
55:48 Future Global Economic Models
56:38 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

An audioonly version of this interview is available as episode 887 of Metis Strategy’s podcast, #Technovation with Peter High. Learn more at http://bit.ly/Technovation887.

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