With Matthieu Pageau we discuss symbolism in the creation story told in Genesis and how it relates to consciousness, the problem of selfreference and how true symbolism usually appears in a fractal structure of microcosms and macrocosm.

The problem of science and rationality is that by emphasizing materiality and reason it often struggles with the paradox of selfreference and selfcausality, just as it struggles with the problem of the justification for hierarchical structures of value. These two issues are related through the fact of consciousness and selfawareness. Though science struggles to include the consciousness of the viewer in its general calculation, this is something that is done very well in traditional cosmologies through a series of selfreplicating patterns which are embedded into each other somewhat like a fractal pattern.

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