I’ve often wondered if selfdiscipline is just a way of turning bad addictions into healthy ones. After all, addictions of all kinds are really just an attempt to numb and distract ourselves from facing uncomfortable feelings. Can’t the same be said for healthy behaviors once they reach a level of compulsion?

I brought ‪@richroll‬ on the pod to discuss this idea because, well, he’s a recovered alcoholic who turned into an ultraendurance athlete in his 40s. Rich is no stranger to reinventing himself, repeatedly leveraging his flaws into virtues.

We talk about the value of pain as a catalyst for change, the idea that addiction is a spectrum that doesn’t just involve substances, terrible breakups, finding a deeper spirituality, lessons from Rich’s financial struggles, his career running a top podcast, and much, much more.

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00:00:00 Is selfdiscipline just healthy addiction?
00:04:50 Addicts make good ultraendurance athletes?
00:10:33 The real value of pain
00:19:16 Addiction is a spectrum
00:30:27 Is 12step the best cure?
00:38:41 Making amends
00:40:52 The worst breakup of Rich's life
00:47:40 Spirituality
00:53:32 The physicalspiritual connection
01:04:07 Creative output
01:07:46 When Rich couldn't pay the trash man
01:18:24 Rich on podcasting
01:23:45 The power of vulnerability
01:29:06 What does Rich give a f*ck about?

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