In this episode I speak with Jonathan Pageau, he’s a wellknown thinker and icon carver who explores symbolism and how it informs our worldview. I’ve been following his work for well over a year now and I am very fortunate that I got the opportunity to speak with him.

His channel:    / jonathanpageau  
His symbolism website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/
His Icon carving website: https://www.pageaucarvings.com/index....



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00:00 00:38 Introduction
00:38 02:14 Sponsorship
02:14 03:43 Does Jonathan ever get tired of talking about symbolism?
03:43 07:13 What is the fundamental distinction between how we perceive reality today compared to ancient humans?
07:13 12:52 How does a model of abstraction differ from a symbol?
12:52 16:47 Are modern people less mythologically minded than our ancestors?
16:47 18:37 The Queen’s death and our everpresent underlying symbolic reality
18:37 22:26 Which came first, Jonathan’s Christianity or his symbolic fascination?
22:26 24:35 What is the metapattern (The pattern of patterns)?
24:35 26:52 How present is the meta pattern in every other pattern we encounter?
26:52 43:18 The biggest problem with psychedelics
43:18 52:06 What is the relationship between consciousness and reality?
52:06 54:04 The Nihilism of “Everything is just an illusion”
54:04 58:03 How to understand the Nihilism “trick”
58:03 01:06:28 Is thinking symbolically a skill to be developed or a default state? (the alienation of thinking symbolically)