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Jon is joined by Geoffrey Berman, a partner at partner at Fried Frank, a former U.S. Attorney from the Southern District of New York and author of the new book, “Holding the Line: Inside the Nation’s Preeminent US Attorney’s Office and Its Battle with the Trump Justice Department.” Berman also happens to be Jon’s neighbor growing up in New Jersey. They reminisce about the old neighborhood gossip and then dig into why Bill Barr tried to have Berman fired, why it’s so hard to nail down powerful guys like Trump, and whether better guardrails stand a chance of protecting our democracy going forward.

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